alwayspaws Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Please read this important information. Our friend, Jonny, may need our support: http://www.sunnytoo.com/forums/topic/our-themeforest-account-has-been-disabled FYI @mdekker @lesley @vzex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwayspaws Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 Envato has deactivated the developer’s account. Hopefully they will see it is an honest mistake by an upstanding member of its and our communities. https://help.market.envato.com/hc/en-us/articles/206208390-What-Countries-Can-I-Not-Use-Envato-From- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwayspaws Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 More info from Jonny - sunnytoo- Panda and Transformer theme developer: Jonny wrote: Yes, we hope they could give me a chance. It’s now five years since we released our first theme "Transformer", we always carefully follow author rules, we never expected this would happen. Post Link: http://www.sunnytoo.com/forums/topic/our-themeforest-account-has-been-disabled/#post-8650 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesley Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Well that sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwayspaws Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 @lesley It sure does. Posted 11-16-17 on FB Envato and tweeted part of this with screenshot of FB post You suspended ST-THEMES Transformer and Panda #themes Website developer account. He’s on your site FIVE YEARS. Please reconsider your decision. It was an honest oversight by a very dedicated member of your site who has been working extremely hard with multiple themes and superior tech support. I stand by him. and: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaoKakao Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 They wants to be more saint than Pope. Such a hypocritical activity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwayspaws Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 They should be more reasonable. It's their income, too! So sorry for huge images but that's how they post when I'm on my cell phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynambee Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I definitely feel bad for him. This type of thing is one of the risks we all face when we trade on top of someone else's platform. They have the ability to pull the plug at any time and for any reason. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy.Roberts Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Well i made a ticket on their helpdesk asking them to reconsider. Hopefully it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwayspaws Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 @dynambee We all sympathize with him. Jonny works very hard at everything, is very meticulous and is a longstanding (five years!) author at Envato. Thanks @Troy-Roberts. I created a ticket just now. The latest I heard from Envato on FB was 10 hours ago: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynambee Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I do see Envato's side of this issue as well. The US government is insanely strict about no dealings with certain countries. It's a relatively short list of countries but anyone found to be dealing with those countries faces stiff penalties. If Envato didn't remove sellers found to be transacting with those countries then Envato themselves would be at risk of no longer being able to stay in business. (Envato seems to be based in Australia but if they find themselves no longer able to accept PayPal or any credit cards they wouldn't have much of a business left.) Potentially losing one developer who is very friendly to our community (and seems to make great products) sucks. Losing the entire Envato platform would suck much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marci123 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 @dynambee this is not a deal about weapons or other suspect activities but selling prestashop themes. If rules have no scope to deal with this, there is something wrong with the rules. A simple warning should be sufficient. And if the dealer is then breaking the rule again a ban could be considered. But this is overreacting and simply wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesley Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 @marci123 One offense opens your company up to be sanctioned. fined, and imprisoned. The fine is currently 200k for companies and 100k for individuals. The prison time is 10 years. Granted he made a mistake, but the penalties of making it are very real and expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaoKakao Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 My dime: why the penalty was so hard? As far as i could remember, the US export/import legislation allows some kind of notifications/alerts to merchants. I know, that US regulations can prohibit even a pencil if needed (this was a question at one of SUN Microsystems' exam), but also it clear says, that in ordinary cases the very first action could be a warning with requirement to cancel suspicious deal. Why Envato not chose that way? That's why i think they'd like to be more saint than Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesley Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 You might be right, but there are a few things to consider, the first being that he is not the first person that has done this. The laws around marketplaces have not caught up with the technology in a lot of areas. Another thing to consider as well is that Envato is not an American company, they are an Australian company, so the laws might be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaoKakao Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I'm from Russia. However, when my company went thru SUN's procedure of partnership, it was mandatory for us to accept the US law related to imp/exp stuff So, this could be same in case of Envato, and that's exactly why i've said, that they trying to compete with Pope in their "sanctity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moy2010 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Wow, this is utterly wrong. I'm glad my business is not located in the U.S. :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesley Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Depending on what country the issue was, your country is likely a signatory on those sanctions as well. Most countries agree on the UN sanctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moy2010 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Most of these sanctions do not come from the UN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SanctionsagainstIran http://www.sanctionswiki.org/Syria#General They are mostly arbitrarily applied by the EU and the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynambee Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 @moy2010 said in Transformer & Panda ST-Themes ThemeForest account on Envato has been Suspended :(: Wow, this is utterly wrong. I'm glad my business is not located in the U.S. :S You don't have to be from the US to be affected the sanctions like this. If the US decides you're helping the sanctioned countries you could find your ability to deal with any US companies to be limited or removed. No PayPal, no Stripe, no VISA, MC, or AMEX, etc. I don't know about your business but mine wouldn't survive without the ability to process those types of payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marci123 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 The seller is not from the US so US laws won't apply to them. Of course themeforest would have to fear them. There should be a way to make clear that future deals with the forbidden countries would result in a permanent ban and reinstate the seller. Anything else is overreacting if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesley Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I think people miss how the US law system works. Some US laws apply to everyone in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marci123 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 @lesley said in Transformer & Panda ST-Themes ThemeForest account on Envato has been Suspended :(: I think people miss how the US law system works. Some US laws apply to everyone in the world. But you can enforce US law in the USA only. Johnny cannot be imprisoned in the country where he lives if he is dealing with a country that US laws are forbidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesley Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Like was mentioned before, imagine the e-commerce world without visa, mastercard, amex, discover, paypal, ect. The US can be quick to sanction a company like Envato and tell American companies not to do business with them. This takes away their payment gateways and a large customer base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marci123 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 @lesley said in Transformer & Panda ST-Themes ThemeForest account on Envato has been Suspended :(: Like was mentioned before, imagine the e-commerce world without visa, mastercard, amex, discover, paypal, ect. The US can be quick to sanction a company like Envato and tell American companies not to do business with them. This takes away their payment gateways and a large customer base. Yes, themeforest has to fear law inforcement this is why they are reacting so strict. However, most embargoes have a restriction to certain activities. There should be a scope for reinstating the seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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