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Great answer thanks @datakick and all important groundwork for the future of TB. Sounds like, for non anonymised and specific data, there will be a consent process put in place, which is where I was coming from. I did mention and suggest that TB did this myself probably a year or so ago, so its good to see it begin to happen... ! It would be great for us to see exactly what data was actually sent to TB at some point.

Apppreciate it @datakick

Look forward to it @datakick

What exactly is tb tracking? Is it just errors, where is the data that's being sent to the API? Or is it non error tracking as well? What exact data are you tracking please, where is data stored that we send and how is that going to help a) tb b) the merchant I thought there was going to be a permission system on what data would be sent to tb @datakick?

I got this ajax error when updating database .... There were hundreds of files that needed updating.... A bit daunting to do that... Maybe a "don't worry" about it comment?

Something that tracks a referrer code on any page like this soon-to-be-doomed core feature claims to and where someone can login and see what the clicks and resulting sales and user actions were (of those clicks) without logging into admin. Tracking clicks to sales might not be straightforward and neither might a login page. This core feature does have that stuff but it's pretty complex like Datakick says... And pretty sketchy at best.

No lol I don't even know what your site is. You mentioned about affiliates being one of being the only modules you really use outside core a few days ago. So I thought I'd see what module you used. Looks like Datakick is going to seriously consider dropping this from Core (understandably) and Im after an Affiliate module

I definitely enjoyed that response cheers @datakick 🙂. The bit I was initially referring to is a login portal where Affiliates go to see their clicks and referrals and so on, it doesnt work at all. As far as recording the data, Ive tried what you suggest but I couldn't get it going particularly easily. I agree this should not be Core, it should be a module that people can pay for and it should be much better, more bullet proof and reliable than this. I see you use Affiliate tracking @wakabayashi how do you do it?, Which module?

Been waiting about 1.25 years for this to be fixed @datakick. Has it been fixed in the 1.3 upgrade at all? Looks like the Stats module is the problem? Referral agents also appear to not be working.... if I create jjj as a Request_URI key ... then access url?jjj then nothing gets recorded

Hopefully you'll see a way to take this that might not be as bad as it first looks (or at least you'll be able to define exactly whats involved) and maybe others will help you in that if you provide the framework by which to do it.

I asked this earlier in this topic of @Smile and got no response unfortunately @haylau I have spoken to the Panda makers once who said they'd like to help but a) its a big piece of work b) TB base is too small Doing this kind of work is, in all fairness, beyond the realm of volunteer work and its not surprising the guys here reluctant to help out. What I could see working possibly is this: The theme could be built as a collaboration between Panda (for example) and the guys here. We do very much need this. What we have is all we have, and it isnt enough now, let alone the future. Panda have done this before, they will probably know the best path under collaboration from people here. Smile needs to talk to Panda, he's the boss, its his baby. BOTTOM LINE: We members are going to have to pay for it, and we should have expectations around what we get. The money we pay should go to thirtybees, and Smile the owner of thirtybees, should pay Panda to get the work done with help from the guys here to keep costs down. Without this, thirtybees gets closer to to its own untimely demise.

Following a rather disconcerting hack even through Cloudflare I do use Cloudflare to block just about every country I dont intend trading in to some degree now (except search engines). I also use your blackhole for bots, however they arent crawling, just accessing image url's I give them, so its probably not that. Right? I did whitelist their ip, but its probably Cloudflare, I'll raise it in that community Thanks.

I'm wanting specific third party sites to upload my images for product listing purposes however they can't and neither can https://imgdownloader.com/ Is there some mechanism TB has which prevents this other sites from doing this? If so ... can it be overruled for specific IP's.?

Leaving out most 3rd party modules is a totally understandable thing from a build point of view. I agree minimal is good, however it's obviously a pretty terminal thing for those modules people have or want if they aren't compatible so there needs be a clear process for assessing and handling what modules will no longer work properly/at all with the theme and what options the site owner has ... and what module developers need to do to get the module compatible.

Awesome @yaniv14 are we going to get requirements for this and know what users want, then start to work out what is involved and whos going to do what? We should have a list of all users, then wants.... Then work out the doable list from that.

Certainly sounds like a pretty dire need to get a quality theme going.... But from scratch @wakabayashi?? That sounds like an incredibly long hard road? Wouldnt it be easier to take an existing great theme like say Panda (that doesnt work properly with TB unfortunately), and speak to Sunnytoo (the maker of Panda). I spoke to him once before and it was just too much work for small sales to get it compatible with TB. Maybe if the talents here that have already volunteered to help could make Sunnytoo's life easier getting it compatible then it we could have something high class for TB? His code is obviously not open source (a far as I know). I am sure many here including me would pay for a decent theme (or at least components of a decent theme), it is a pretty large achilles heel with TB.

I'd love to see sunnytoo get back involved. He makes Panda etc but looks like he gave up on TB? Can he be spoken with to help out @Smile with the theme.. its pretty important that front end is just as good as back end

@jollyfrog @superbiche It would interesting to hear where you guys are at with doing this theme. Are you still interested or not so much anymore?

Does anyone have a good understanding of what themes are currently compatible and will be compatible with the next upgrade of TB? I use Niara, Im of the belief that its about the only thing thats compatible with TB and modernish - given that sunnytoo has moved on from TB. I dont particularly like Niara, its pretty dated especially the checkout page. But I dont believe there's anything better, can someone prove me wrong?

My site says its upgraded to 1.3 .... dont ask me how that happened though as I purposefully didnt do it knowing it could be hazardous... however it works fine fortunately

Brilliant thanks had totally forgotten about this module since the rebuild also. Thanks @datakick

You are bound to be right @datakick, but in my sendinblue account, a number of spam accounts have hard bounced... I dont know why...I just know Ive been ratelimited as a result... Is there a UI way to block contact_form emails? or will I need to make code adjustments...? By the way thanks @AndyC I did have that running before my old site was hacked, I hadnt resurrected it on the rebuilt site so thanks for the reminder.

What are people using to control spam? There's two problems 1/ The incoming spam itself 2/ The mail that is sent to spammers confirming their message has been processed. In the second case, sending the spammers an email confirmation, usually to fake emails, causes hard bounces and therefore degrades credibility with 3rd party mail providers (I use sendinblue). This loss of credibility means real users mail arrives more slowly.

Shouldn't updates be switched off and unavailable until the module is ready? From what @datakick was saying it could be hazardous to upgrade without the module mods

I have version 1.2 ... I went to Core Updater and noticed many files ready to update presumably for 1.3. By good fortune I read this first. However I went to Modules and checked for updates, particularly for Core Updater module but it said Core Updater was up to date, which seemed odd given your comments above @datakick I'm not sure now whether to just go ahead with Core Updater, given that the module hasn't been updated... I don't want to stuff the db trying to update