Briljander
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4 hours ago, Theo said:
The issue here is lack of leadership and direction recently, and not lack of money.
I definitely think one problem is lack of money. I guess it's hard to build a company on open source and no income except donations and partnerships and ads.
If everyone who is using TB would pay a monthly fee of $10 ( which still is veery cheap for a e-commerce platform) I don't think we would have these problems. And if you can't afford $10 a month for the technical heart of your business maybe it's time to do something else.
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3 minutes ago, wakabayashi said:
@Briljander The cash is mainly coming in trough ads revenue, as far as I know.
Might be true, I know there are partnerships but there is also a lot more costs than salary. I have no clue if Thirtybees is making profit or not but if it is I don't understand why a developer isn't hired.
Both @datakick and @Traumflug have put a lot of effort and time into this and have been devoted to the project so no doubt about their feelings about open source.
If TB was making profit I guess it would have been hard to get them to stay and put some more time into the project if they would get something in return and if there was someone that also was steering the boat.
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I haven't seen the financials but I don't think there is enough money to give salary to a fulltime developer. We have been like ~25 patreons giving from $5 to $50 I think. I don't even think everyone in this forum thread are contributors.
And I also don't think it's enough with one, it must be devoted team to make this work.
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12 minutes ago, Traumflug said:How TB works legaly
Looking at the bottom of thirtybees.com one can read this:
© thirty development llc
As in most countries, one can look up limited-type companies in public registers:
https://tnbear.tn.gov/Ecommerce/FilingDetail.aspx?CN=255033012188122038179169083159160212228131154070 (solve the captcha to see the entry)
One can see the number of company members going up and down over the years. Before you ask: I'm none of them.
So you have never been part of the company? I thought so. Is that why you are not contributing anymore either?
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1 hour ago, Traumflug said:
Good example is @wakabayashi's technically brilliant https://www.chesspoint.ch/
Yeah, always been amazed of how fast @wakabayashi site is. Tell me your secrets 😉
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14 hours ago, zen said:
That could be nice, but I started this module for niara theme specially, it needs to be done differently if it's for the community theme manager. I'd love to have more people on the module thread for sure so we can "all together" but from far away.. do something usefull for both theme maybe.
last answer on the theme module was in : November 7, 2019
I will gladly help if you want to. I am not a coder but I do think that initiative was good.
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I think @zen initiative earlier was nice when he did some module where it was possible to change in a theme editor.
Don't you think you two can put your thoughts together and make something really great here?
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I haven't used it yet. But this was my way of trying to solve it. I don't know if it do work yet but I don't know why it shouldn't.
Amazon SES is much more affordable
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Newsletter Pro:
https://addons.prestashop.com/en/newsletter-sms/7484-newsletter-pro.html
I have bought it but I haven't used it yet. Only started to create templates but I have the same question about adding a mailservice to not be blocked or marked as spam. We do already have problems with our mails to Yahoo being marked as spam.
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Well the one I use can have its own parameters and also use Prestashop standard settings.
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I have thought of this too. Wouldn't it be possible to add for example Amazon SES and use a Prestashop module?
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I can answer question 2. The good news is that it do work with TB. The bad news is that they have no plans officially supporting TB. Also they have blocked some features for 1.6 in their mobile app.
But the more we are who ask them to support this project the better.
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No I haven't canceled anything. I was looking for the invoices to grab them and send them to my accountant and when searching I couldn't find them either in my mail or here.
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Hi Lesley,
Hope your doing fine.
It doesnt look like that for me:
I did only find this "orderpage" cause I knew I had a link in an old email.
The invoices stopped coming after december and I havent canceled anything (the last canceled one is from this wednesday when I tried to figure out what was wrong).
But its still withdrawn from my Paypal:
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Today when I searched for the invoices to have for my accountant I couldnt find any invoices since december, also it says my subscription expired 11/1-2020 still I there have been withdrawals from Paypal each month to Thirtybees?
I need som kind of invoice to have in my books, even though the one brought here looks really bad and its not legal in my country its better than nothing.
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5 hours ago, toplakd said:
I'm not concerned.
I have no problems always running latest bleeding edge, as only thing that could break is my modified theme which is always fixable within short period of time.
People need to understand that once compatibility will start going separate ways, one can always stay on the latest working version that was 1.6 compatible.
There will always be a need of updating code cause of laws, new regulations, security holes bugs and so on. Once the module owners don't support TB or 1.6 you are on your own. It's still possible to update with own developers or if you have the knowledge, by yourself but this will be an expensive and time-consuming way of going forward.
I still hope TB grow their fanbase to make module developers more willing to support it.
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Yeah I know and I think thats great that Johnny are maintaining compatibility with TB.
I do already have customizations of Warehouse which I do like and already spent a lot of time to get it the way I like. If I get forced to change theme I will but right now I have decided to stay with the version I have right now and hire developers to do fixes. Cost me a lot more but I don't have the time right now to change.
But this is not only Warehouse theme, I have more modules that only focuses on new releases for 1.7 and I do think they will increase in the future. That's my biggest concern.
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4 hours ago, wakabayashi said:
Devs won't upgrade their 1.6 modules at some point (I believe some devs already left or focus only on 1.7).
Yeah, this is already reality. As an example Warehouse theme is only focusing on 1.7 and I have more modules focusing on 1.7. The problem is that they don't even consider TB either cause it's too small project. Makes it very expensive to maintain them by own developers.
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2 hours ago, wakabayashi said:
To open a bug report on github is very easy: https://github.com/thirtybees/thirtybees/issues
- Just click on New Issue and use a self speaking title. It will also propose you already existing issues, that could be the same or related. Check them out, before you open a new one.
- Describe your problem in a way, that somebody with a clean thirtybees installation could reproduce it.
- If there is an error message, copy it. Also check, if there is something in the browser console.
- Screenshots or short videos can help.
- Say which tb version you use. It can also be helpful to know the php version.Thanks @wakabayashi
I will add some bug reports there next time I find something.
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Maybe your right @datakick and I appreciate your time you assign to this project (are you the only one nowadays?).
Wouldnt it be good to add an easy manual for filing issues to GitHub for us newbies so we can do it like you would like it to be done cause I guess many of us are not very familiar with GitHub.
And if it already do exist one please point us in the right direction.
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Hi,
I am pretty new to git and started using Bitbucket a while ago to get a better hold of what developers do and code changes they do.
I am wondering if I use core updater it will update files. As well as if I install a module by importing it in back-office it will add and change files.
How can I keep track of these changes in bitbucket without knowing which changes that were made?
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I havent claimed nothing has changed. Maybe I haven't had to much use of the changes. Can't run 7.2 cause I have modules which doesn't support it (not TBs fault), already have a blogmodule which has many more features and don't use webp pictures for example.
I don't really understand why this became a discussion at all. I am supporting your project.
Why do you think it's to much to be asked to get updates about the future and that you have a long term plan and give us updates of the process on a regulary basis? Isn't that something you should want to do?
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On 1/1/2020 at 7:41 PM, Traumflug said:
So far my impression of this discussion is that some people are more into leeching free software rather than running and growing their own business. Not a single post along the lines of "I'd like to do this or that, but I can't, because thirty bees doesn't cut it".
Don't know if you refer to me. I am already supporting this project and would be willing to pay more but then my expectations would also be bigger.
It's not that the current version isn't working but I do think Prestashop 1.6.1.11 work pretty well too. With that in mind it seems like the only goal is to keep the platform bugfree but not with any new features at all?
Sorry to hear you are not feeling well @lesley hope you will feel better soon.
Goodbye
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Last year I spent about $10000 on custom modules, theme changes and bug fixing in third party modules that are obsolete so atleast I would be willing to pay $50 a month if I would get something in return, bug fixes and new features. But I am not sure we are enough people.
I do also agree that there is a need of developing new features, not just bugfixing and coremodications.