Briljander
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1 hour ago, Kleijn36 said:
My biggest pain points is that already one 3th party modules/API stopped working because they don't longer invest in the PS 1.6 platform. There will be no new updates for PS1.6 or Bug fixes.
I think this will be the major issue for Thirtybees. PS 1.6 is old nowadays and if moduledevelopers keep dropping support for it there will be problems.
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5 hours ago, wakabayashi said:
Oh yeah 😵 Actually how many merchants are still here and do care for this project? Please like my post, if you do.
A few months ago, I asked in another forum topic, who would be willing, to invest 50$/month or more. Then the following poeple where in:
Are there any others right now? I am still evaluating the options for serious/established merchants...
I am still here in the forums and would invest $50 / month if there is a roadmap and a clear objective of what will be done. But my doubts are big about the future for TB so we'll see what happens Q1 2021.
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1 hour ago, 30knees said:
Sometimes it would be helpful to see the change in product quantities over the last 1h or 24h. For example, if I wasn't paying attention to how the quantity was before I added new stock. Knowing the history would help me see that there were 3 on stock and now ith the 10 new stock I need to enter 13 and not 10 in the product quantity field.
Does anybody know of such a module or way to track product history? I couldn't find anything in a search.
Don't know of any module but that must be possible to track with stock movement and a sql-script.
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With this slow movement in negotiations let me have some doubts and concerns of how fast the progress will be afterwards.
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7 hours ago, Mark said:
Although the tb devs have made thirtybees a superior product to presta, those of us buying addons in the presta marketplace continually have to defend tb against devs who dont know about tb and refuse guarantees or even to deal with us because tb isnt presta.
We also have to ask devs to send addon updates because presta addons arent checked for updates on presta. (it would be great if they could be)
This is really the biggest concern. Modules becoming unsupported from developers and not further maintained because they don't support TB. As long as the module and TB is compatible with 1.6 the old module will work but many developers choose to only focus on 1.7.
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@30knees did you set it up with smtp-settings ?
Do you get bounced email-stats back to Newsletter module in Prestashop too?
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15 minutes ago, haylau said:
I am not sure this was supposed to be something saying different than TS. I only shows that its taking waay to long to close the deal. It's not Amazon that's being sold...
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You can charge whatever price you want inside EU but the buyer can order from any destination or site within EU without any problems.
Imagine every physical store would be forced to have the same price in all their stores inside EU.
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8 hours ago, datakick said:
That's how recovery works in tb. You don't enter new password, it is generated and sent to you via email.
If email does not contain new password then check your email template: password.html /password.txt
And this sucks. I don't understand how a webshop in 2020 can send passwords in real text. We have had some customer complaints about this.
I noticed there are modules that can fix this but this should really be fixed into the core I think.
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I have thought of this too. Would have bee great to use features or tags on products to make it possible to segment statistics.
A checkbox for "hidden" and then it doesn't show up in frontoffice.
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Do TB stock handle decimals?
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It doesn't recalculate but you can change a lot on the order. It's this module I am using:
https://globosoftware.net/product/prestashop-order-management-module-edit-order/
It do work pretty well for our needs but do have some bugs.
The one you are referring too is from a scam company "Module Buddy". I ordered another module from them but never got any download but the money was withdrawn. They do never answer emails either. The developers are from my country Sweden, I managed to find the phonenumber to one of them but still haven't seen the money or the module and this was some years ago.
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I appreciate your work and this is a welcomed feature.
I do already have this feature from the module Advanced Order Management but I would also rather see things like this implemented in core.
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We do use Store manager to handle products. For order management we have customized an order management module.
The picking is where we right now are trying to optimize. We print delivery notes with locations and then pick by that.
We have tested a lot of different picking modules but none seem to have what we need. The best solution would have been an app sorted by warehouse location.
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3 hours ago, Traumflug said:
One can hire developers and a clear statement that the project currently named thirty bees isn't going to be abandoned. If you prefer another developer and don't care about the future of thirty bees it currently offers nothing for you, that simple 🙂
I do care about the future. That's why I have been around here for almost 3 years and also been a Patreon. But I do already have a developer that I hire. So if that's all that site brings to the table it doesn't do much for me no.
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1 hour ago, Traumflug said:
Great stuff is always "unfinished". Remember the first iPhone? Far behind what one could do with this hardware, still it started a new era of computing for everyone. Because these few things it did were implemented extremely well, everything else was postponed to later models. Merchant's Edition probably won't start a new era for everybody, still it follows this strategy.
This forum is a working forum already, low urgency to duplicate it.
Of course nothing is perfect and there is always something that can be done better. But then you might tell people what those extraordinary features are of that page that will outrule everything else like iPhone did cause that's exactly what's hard for me to find there?
It might be something good but I don't understand what the offer is or if it's just an informational page?
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38 minutes ago, wakabayashi said:
@Havouza for such issues there is a new service available: Merchant's edition
The rest is as it was some weeks ago. TB is awaiting its death, if nothing serious changes.
To me it's very unclear what this new site is all about. It seems like an unfinished site. If you want to move people from here to that site I think first thing would be to set up a new forum software. Second, explain in blog post more what it's all about. Third, give people a clue of what the real offer is cause it's hard for me to understand. How much does it cost and what will I get?
If it's only a place where I can hire a TB developer I do already have one.
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Just wondering, what do you mainly use your erp for? Accounting? Inventory? Orderhandling?
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39 minutes ago, dynambee said:
Correct.
I'm sorry, but did you read my previous post at all? There is a huge amount of work that would need to be redone from scratch if the project is forked. Website, SEO, blog (all existing posts & knowledge gone), forums (all existing knowledge, discussions, & users lost), social media, module shop, existing supporters platform, etc. If it is absolutely necessary to redo all that work then fine, it has to be redone. I'm curious though, are you volunteering to pay someone to do it? I expect it will be quite expensive to duplicate the level of branding & design that already exists, and yes, branding and design are important if one wants to be taken seriously as a business, project, & platform.
Personally I don't think it is a good idea to reinvent the wheel unless there is no way forward that can save all the existing work.
Edit: I'll also add, a fork would mean needing to redo the existing core themes and edit the codebase to change everywhere the TB name appears to be the new name. This may sound trivial but it took ages for TB to get that right. I think even now there are times that PS pops up where TB should be instead. It's just more work that needs to be redone, duplicated effort. Starting with a completely existing platform means all effort can be spent on pushing the project forward. Forking means a huge amount of effort has to be wasted to redo work that has already been done once.
I agree that there is a lot of work and effort put into this project that would be better for everyone not to do allover again but in the other hand I don't think the brand is worth a couple of hundred thousands.
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55 minutes ago, Theo said:
The thing you guys don't seem to realise is this:
- There's already money coming in from the Supporters (including from many of you).
- So the points about different subscription models may be valid - but misses the point that money is already coming in.
- What is happening with this cash?
- Also, there is a big question about Partners? Do they contribute and what is the deal with them? What is their interest and how is that being looked after?
- There's already a Thirybees company that handles all of this (supposed to)
- While I agree with the idea that a larger subscription qualifies you to have a say in the direction of the platform, it should not be a 'pay gate' policy where it locks out normal users from being able to use the 'full TB' and ask questions and get support in the Forums.
- Having a 'paid platform' will be to the detriment of the growth of TB and against the original 'open / everybody welcome' ethos - imo
- Being FREE (the full package) is one of TB's strongest points - and is inline with many other main eCommerce platforms (OpenCart, Magento etc., even Oxid CE)
- Yes, TB needs more users, and that's why many of us have mentioned a strong marketing drive to attract more
- @lesley needs to come to the party please - and maybe all of us that are interested in the future of TB can have a call with him to discuss? (Skype, Zoom, Slack or whatever)
Also, I feel that my previous points are worth mentioning here again. Imo, we need some sort of New Running Committee, Leader, Budget, Marketing and Plan to fix things going forward
Sure, there is money coming in but I don't think it's enough to give salary to a team of 3-5 persons.
If everything is free there is not enough incentives to be become a payer. I agree that it should be open and free but not everything. This has already been tried with this platform and also on Internet since many years. 10 years ago everything was free on the Internet, nowadays you get a free version to get people interested and try to get them to buy the paid version.
The only companies I know that have a business model that do work with "everything is free" is companies that sell or use the userdata (Google?).
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This was only my personal thoughts.
But I don't think we will be enough that do pay $50 a month. The most crucial part is as it has always been, we need to be more people here contributing and we need to attract morr people to join. This was a way of trying to collect more money from us who really can and want to.
In the end I am not the owner of TB and have no intention to be either, I don't have that time. But I am willing to pay for a good e-commerce platform which is actively developed and maintained.
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17 minutes ago, DRMasterChief said:
My idea / previous post was to spread tb wide in the online commerce, this is only possible with a subscription model and reasonable fee per month, i am wrong ?
Do you really think a merchant which is new to tb will give 50 USD a month when he can have well-known system for the half ? It's just my serious question, i dont want to upset anyone.
My vision was that it would still be possible to use TB but you won't get any support (hopefully we will still have friendly forum members) and you will not have any influence of the projects roadmap. Maybe also freemium is basic use and not all new features will be available. As long as the platform is competitive against other platform in the market the shouldn't be a problem.
And no, I don't think everyone is willing to pay $50 and certainly not $250 a month cause then there are many other good paid options but I do think there must me a distinction between paid and free.
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2 hours ago, Traumflug said:
Sounds like a reasonable base to work with.
Except for one thing missing: making a feature request needs a price tag. Else the list of feature requests ends up where it was before: hundreds of requests with one supporter each and many being almost, but not entirely the same. Hardest part of a user driven feature request list is probably to aggregate requests somehow, to agree among all/most users on what to work, and on what to work next.
There is no shortage of ideas for features. I have a TODO list with like 100 bullet points myself, requests on Github not even included 🙂
I guess there need to be both a roadmap which is setup by "the team" about new important features for compatibility, bug fixing and upgrade of versions but also a parallel roadmap which are influenced by the forum and people contributing with money.
The votings could be done quarterly and for example $50 gives 1 vote, $100 gives 2 votes, $150 gives 3 votes and so on. Then the money put into the project will also give more influence.
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2 hours ago, Theo said:
Yes, it's worrying. However from experience, that's one of the great things about this forum. If it happens and the module breaks, put the site in debug mode. Copy the error and make forum post.
The guys are happy to help and usually it's a line or two that needs to be updated.
You may have to sometimes ping the post, but 9.9/10 you'll get help. Alternatively you could always contact @datakick or similar developer to implement fix.
A broken module is'nt necessarily the end of the world.
Also to put things into perspective, we recently purchased Advanced Search 4. A great paid filter search module. No official support for TB, but the up-to-date version for PS 1.6 works like a dream in TB.
Incidentally that's one of the reasons there's such a fuss being made about @datakick leaving (support, looking after Core and pushing the project forward)
All effort needs to be made to convince him to stay.
Yeah, even though this is great I guess this shouldn't come for free from developers hired. They should focus on developing TB further but of course also check bug-reports. But for personal support I do think it must come with a cost otherwise the paid developers won't have time to work with what should really be worked at.
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We will probably go with 1.7.
I do already have a lot of modules which I have bought that do have 1.7 versions.
Also my developer which I do have a good relationship with is expert in Prestashop but don't work with other platforms.
I do also use Prestashop Store Manager on all of our business computers which unfortunately doesn't officially support TB but supports 1.6 and 1.7.
One downside is all custom work in modules that will need to be redone but at least there are modules for 1.7 which will make the move less complicated.