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@daokakao As i said. A new module is being developed by means of crowdfunding. This module will be part of the TB project and as such will it be maintained by TB. The same could be the case for a theme. Now TB includes a default theme. I don't use the theme so I don't know it's features. However, I could image the a crowdfunding project is started for a more advanced theme that will be part of TB and as such will be maintained by TB. By crowdfunding they get paid for their work and the community will get a more advanced theme. Once again a win-win situation.

@daokakao What do you mean by 'your project' ? I'm not the developer. I contacted @mdekker several months ago if it would be possible to do a crowdfunding for a module. At first he/they where reluctant. However, I kept nagging and after a few months he/they agreed to do a crowdfunding project. This is the elastic search module. I just received an e-mail from indiegogo that a beta version will be released within a few days. I'm convinced it will be a high quality module. As mentioned in other forum posts i convinced that crowdfunding could be a win-win-win situation. TB as a project will benefit (great modules will attract new users), the developer will earn money for his work and we as users will get great modules that we want (otherwise it would not be funded) If you want other info please let me know.

@alwayspaws Although English is not my native language i often do understand sarcasm. However 'nice try' has a negative 'sound' to me. Maybe this was not meant. That's way i asked to clarify the comment. "Of course, we all have great hopes" . Do you refer to my comment of crowdfunding a theme ? If so, than please take into account that when six months ago I first mentioned crowdfunding a module not many people believed that it could be done . And look where we are now: within a few days a Beta of a great crowdfunded search module will be released !

@occam Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'nice try' . Please explain

time for a theme crouwfunding project :)

@kleijn36 Ik gebruik de mollie module zoals die door mollie geleverd wordt. Deze draait prima op mijn site (TB 1.0.3 + warehouse theme) Moet wel zeggen dat ik niet weet of deze meteen al goed werkte. Iemand anders heeft voor mij de switch gedaan van PS > TB en de problemen die zich daarbij voordeden opgelost.

@pedalman It's not a matter of luck, but of hiring a good developer :)

@pedalman Sorry i can't. @mdekker did the change from PS to TB for me. I'm a nitwit when it comes to code. Sorry! Only thing i know it that me site is using the warehouse theme

From your post it looks like @lesley contributed important code. Thank you @lesley

thanks for your swift reply.

Hoi, When creating a pack of existing problems i encounter a problem. I very little popup screen appears and i think this where is should enter the letters of the products i would like to select. However, it is so small it is not workable. I'm the only one who encounter this problem or is it a bug, I've made a short screencast to show the problem. It can be found here https://d.pr/v/jqXZTP Thanks.

@dynambee Thank you. However it is a crowdfunding project and the i think the amount someone contributes to this project does not matter. All contributions are equally welcome. I only really hope that voted for this module on the blogpost will indeed contribute.

@DavidP thank you for your suggestions. Very informative.

@lesley Maybe it worthwhile to do crowdfunding yourself in the future and use a globally operating payment provider such as ayden (https://www.adyen.com/payment-methods)

As backer of the elasticsearch campaign you will receive a request to complete a survey. I think it would be wise to address this issue of very limited payment option in the survey. I did . I find it unbelievable that they don't offer a lot more payment options. They should offer the most used payment offer for a specific country. There are service payment providers that operate globally.

Now that the 1st crowdfunding project is online i really hope that all the voters for the elasticsearch module will contribute to the project. Within 15 hours almost half of the required money is funded. Please, please, please, lets make this first project a success !

I would like to emphasise the importance of highlighting all the capabilities and not only the search features by using a metaphor. Currently it's a good weather for cruising in a cabrio. Unfortunately i don't have one. So lets say I would like to buy one. There are various manufactures that build cabrio's that i like. However what i do not know is that there is a small manufacturer that happen to build trucks. What is special about this truck is that is a transformer-truck. It can be transformed into a cabrio if you want to. So in the weekend I can cruise in my carbio and during the week I can bring my sold games to my customers. Unfortunately the manufactured did not communicate this possibility and I end up buying a normal cabrio. Would I have know the other features than I would have bought the truck. So the manufactures lost a sale by not communicating the other features.

"Well we have to see what happens." yes we have "just that this part has not been used in the existing modules for PS" That's the problem. The more important to the emphasise all the functionality they get in one module instead of two. You can't assume that people know that. I did not know that until Michael told me.

@Havouza "First as I said before, there is a huge difference between a vote and a contribution" you're absolutely right. That's why it is important to emphasise the benifits of contributing to the crowd funding project compared to buying this functionality from third party developers. "Looking at PS there is one free and one paid module. In my book that means that the demand is low, because if it was high, many more developers would have one for sale" Here i disagree with you. You only focus on the elastic search modules. As discussed before you will also be able to do advanced filtering on a site. Your analysis is thus not complete. You also have take into account the advaced filter modules. There are various filters modules but let only look at the once that are developed by Presto Changeo and PrestaModule. The one of PrestaModule has been sold more the 5000 times on the PS addon store. That means at least €1.000.000 in sales !! This module is also sold on there own store. The advance filter module is only sold on there on store. I don't now the number of sales. But i think it is fair to conclude that you can't say that there isn't a demand for such a module. The problem is the focus on the search capabilities of the module. I think also the filter options much be brought into the lime line. "but I am realist-" This suggest that i'm not. You're entitled to your option but i don't see why my view is less realistic than yours. Especially since your substantiation was incomplete. All depends how the crowd funding project comunicated: "help us build a elastic search module" or '"help us build the best elastic search module. And the best part is: you will not only get the best Elastic Search module, you will also get the best filter module. So two for the price of one"

I don't know what your business model is, but i assume that a large user bases is better for you business model. Hight quality open source modules will make TB more attractive for a larger user base. Lets say the current voter on the blogpost will pay € 75 each than all the modules could easily be developed. This would make TB more attractive and the user base will grow. Next year or so the user base would be much bigger. For the sake of argument that 300 people would be willing to pay € 75 next year. For this €22.500 other great modules could be developed. Next year maybe 600 people are willing to contriute €75 for crowd funding projects. And so on and so on. Someone mentioned that crowdfunding would not be direct beneficial to him because other people who are not contributing also will get the game. First of all he will not get these great modules for €75. Secondly lets say 2% of the current forum members contribute in one way or another to the project (coding, bug fixing, documentation etc. etc). It is likely that the number of forum members will grow and as such also the number of contributors. More contributors will make TB as a project better in less time. So this is also beneficial to you as crowd funder. I think crowd funding can beneficial to TB. The problem is getting people convinced

@lesley Great. I can't wait till the Indiegogo project is online

@lesley You will have to create 4 indiegogo projects than. I'm more than happy to pay €50 each.

I'm talking about the Tb developers. They want tb to be successfull. If all the voters on the crowdfunding blog would pay € 100 than all the modules could be developed. These modules will make TB better. If we had to buy all these modules from third party developers each of us had to pay hundreds of euro's (only for one site)

@Havouza i think they can. By crowdfunding a lot of the develpment.

@moy2010 If you are referring to my comment; that is indeed what i understood. Still you won't need an external service as i understand it from the discussions on one of the other posts about this topic