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On Kickstarter, I've seen various campaigns that were funded by 3000% or more. The first question that pops up in my mind is 'why is it that the ES crowdfunding project is only funded by 101% ?' The most logical explanation to the question is that the project is only interesting for a small group of people. However, I think there is another explanation. When you support a 'product' campaign there is a clear incentive to do so. You get a 30%, 40% or sometimes even 50% discount on the product (depending on the perk and how soon you buy a perk). And when the campaign is over you will have to pay the full price for the product. With the ES crowdfunding project, this was not the case. Once the campaign is funded the module will be released for free. So there is no incentive to fund the campaign once it is 100% funded. So people who do want the module, but don't want to spend any money can wait and see if the campaign gets funded without their support. If the campaign doesn't get funded they always can decide whether or not they will fund the campaign. I really think crowdfunding can be a valuable option to bring the TB project to a higher level. Therefore I really hope there will be another crowdfunding project for another module (a good review module for example) I would like to make some suggestions for another way of crowdfunding a new module if they ( @mdekker and @lesley )decide to do so. Firstly I would set a minimum amount in order for you to be able to contribute e.g.$ 15. (Fifteen dollars for a high-quality module is very cheap). I also would create some perks as they did the last time for people who are willing to support more. Secondly, I would set a larger period before the campaign ends (e.g. 2 months). In this period people can support the project even if it gets funded 100%. And the third, and I expect, for some a controversial/unacceptable, suggestion: After the campaign has ended I would NOT release the module for free for a certain period (e.g. 12 to 18 months). During this period people can buy the module in the store but at a higher price than when they would have funded the project. After this period the module will be released to the public and can be downloaded for free. Why this third suggestion? People will have a clear incentive to support the project by not releasing the module for free for a certain period of time. By supporting the campaign people will get the module for $15. If they did not support the campaign but decide they want the module after all the can either wait till it is released for free or the can buy it in the store for let's say $40 (still cheap for a quality module). Why is this good for TB? I think this is good for TB because it is likely the campaign will be overfunded. Not by 3000% but still... The extra money could be used to enhance the module with extra features or to enhance TB project as a whole. P.S. According to the service Grammarly, there are 29 'advanced issues' in this text. I could have bought an upgrade package so the text would be better, but I rather spend the money to support TB. So my apologies for my bad English.

@alwayspaws If my post upset you than i sorry about that. That was not my intention. However if this indeed the case than i must say i don't understand why. I wrote "I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT DO CONTRIBUTE BIG TIME TO TB BY SOLVING BUGS/CODING ETC." I think you make valuable contributions, so no need to be upset. However i do think that there are various people that only take and do not give at all in any sort of way

@traumflug i also think that crowdfunding i a good way. However, not in the way ES was funded. My second post of will be about that. I hope to post it tonight or somewhere tomorrow. The post will be called ‘3000% funded’

@wakabayashi Maybe 5 merchants are using it in the beginning. However to more people switch to TB the more will using it. Form the sales of the advanced search module in the PS addons store (5000+) one can expect that there is a demand for such a module (that is only the sales of the PS addonsstore and not the direct sales from there own store)

@davidp and the businessplan of PS is what ? As i see it, it is making money at the expense of the merchants. For example: they have various types of partners (bronze, silver and gold). I dont know what the creteria are to get one of these titles, but from my experiense it has nothing to do with quality of the modules or the service that is provided. To me it looks like the more you pay the more premium you get. ( i could be wrong but this is from my experience) You won’t believe how often i’ve asked a question to PS or a developer and after some years are still waiting for an answer. Maybe @mdekker could have communicated better about how the ES development is going, but i’ve no doubt in my mind that he is doing what he can to make a high quality module. All in all i thing it is a chicken and egg problem. I’m willing to take a bet and hope that if curent users contribute by becoming a patron TB will mature and has a bright future.

@tomik am not sure but i could be me :frowning2: Changed creditcards. If it is me than will of course fix this

You will not believe how much money i invested/lost because of badly programmed modules / incompatible modules and theme and buying module in order to get basic functionality that should have been standard in PS. I really hope TB has a future. Otherwise people will learn the hard way.

@wakabayashi Thanks for your reply. I think if merchants can't afford $10 a month as patron, they they have to seriously have to wonder if they even should start a shop. I am a small shop too, but i think it is my obligation to support as patron. Now it is for $ 10 but when i'll make more money i'll support more. I'm not a programmer so this is the least i can do to support and really think other should do also. My second post will be about the Elastic Search project an crowd funding software in general Sorry, just saw I repeated something you said about forgetting e-commerce if you can't afford some money

19 Patrons ?! This is the first one of a two-part post. I thought long and hard about the title and ended up with this title. Before I explain the title I first would like to give some background about myself. I have a store in which I sell board games. Several years ago, and after a long comparison of various e-commerce platforms, I decided to use Prestashop. These last couple of years I invested several thousands of dollars on modules (or updates of modules) and hiring developers. For me, PS lacks essential modules such as a good search/filter module, review module, blog module and some other. I also invested in a theme (Warehouse) I bought the modules from various developers. Due to the fact that often module conflicted with each other and/or with the theme I had to hire developers to solve the problems (I'm a total nitwit in regard to programming). To me, e-commerce platforms must be feature rich (or has the intention to be), actively maintained and bug must be resolved in a timely manner. From what I read on the TB site the maintainers of TB have all these intentions (whether is the actual software by providing high-quality content through blog posts). That's when I decided to switch to TB and hire @mdekker to do the switch for me. What has all of the above to do with the title? From what I read on the forum I think there are a lot of op people that are not satisfied with PS and already switched to TB or have the intention to do so. Thus we all benefit if the maintainers can devote as much as time as possible to maintain and enhance TB. Therefore I find unbelievable that there are only 19 patrons. I think that everybody is using on a 'production' store (or has the intention to do so) should become a patron. Also, developers who provide paid services and based on TB should become a patron. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT DO CONTRIBUTE BIG TIME TO TB BY SOLVING BUGS/CODING ETC. Hover, I do think that there are a lot more people than 19 that use TB or provide services based on TB AND do not contribute in another way. Therefore I would like to urge these people to become a patron so TB can grow rapidly and become the best e-commerce platform. We will all benefit from it. I would like to end by thanking @mdekker, @lesley and all the others who make TB possible.

@lesley I'm not a lawyer and you are probably right but i find it strange why you can't sell/transfer your rights to use software to someone else.

@mdekker no problem i also joined patreon with a monthly payment.

May Live helper chat is an option. There is also a commercial PS module for it. Haven’t tried it, but i’m considering it.

Hi, I like the navigation to the left. I do have some suggestions: - When i add a product to cart a very small popup will display with the text 'quantity is updated' . I would suggest to change the text in 'your product is added to cart. - In category view (dog/dog-food) i can't add a product directly to cart http://d.pr/i/7PWefS (it looks like it is not available) .in productview i can add product to cart http://d.pr/i/gNtpMc (so it is on stock) - there is an inconsistancy in the category view. Sometime the button 'add to cart' is displayed and sometime not (although the products are in stock Hope this helps

@musicmaster I thought is was just me, but i noticed the same change.

@occam i understand this is the german forum. Thanks for writing also in english ?? If you did not do that than i could not have followed the discussion.

@daokakao The question is if you really would need all this functionaility in a theme.

@occam "Especially since it might not be that easy to top sophisticated themes like Transformer or Panda". Than you assume the developer of these themes is willing to make them compatible with TB. I've contacted the developer of the transformer theme if he has the intention to make the transformer 4 theme compatible with TB. He said he has not.

@daokakao As i said. A new module is being developed by means of crowdfunding. This module will be part of the TB project and as such will it be maintained by TB. The same could be the case for a theme. Now TB includes a default theme. I don't use the theme so I don't know it's features. However, I could image the a crowdfunding project is started for a more advanced theme that will be part of TB and as such will be maintained by TB. By crowdfunding they get paid for their work and the community will get a more advanced theme. Once again a win-win situation.

@daokakao What do you mean by 'your project' ? I'm not the developer. I contacted @mdekker several months ago if it would be possible to do a crowdfunding for a module. At first he/they where reluctant. However, I kept nagging and after a few months he/they agreed to do a crowdfunding project. This is the elastic search module. I just received an e-mail from indiegogo that a beta version will be released within a few days. I'm convinced it will be a high quality module. As mentioned in other forum posts i convinced that crowdfunding could be a win-win-win situation. TB as a project will benefit (great modules will attract new users), the developer will earn money for his work and we as users will get great modules that we want (otherwise it would not be funded) If you want other info please let me know.

@alwayspaws Although English is not my native language i often do understand sarcasm. However 'nice try' has a negative 'sound' to me. Maybe this was not meant. That's way i asked to clarify the comment. "Of course, we all have great hopes" . Do you refer to my comment of crowdfunding a theme ? If so, than please take into account that when six months ago I first mentioned crowdfunding a module not many people believed that it could be done . And look where we are now: within a few days a Beta of a great crowdfunded search module will be released !

@occam Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'nice try' . Please explain

time for a theme crouwfunding project :)

@kleijn36 Ik gebruik de mollie module zoals die door mollie geleverd wordt. Deze draait prima op mijn site (TB 1.0.3 + warehouse theme) Moet wel zeggen dat ik niet weet of deze meteen al goed werkte. Iemand anders heeft voor mij de switch gedaan van PS > TB en de problemen die zich daarbij voordeden opgelost.

@pedalman It's not a matter of luck, but of hiring a good developer :)

@pedalman Sorry i can't. @mdekker did the change from PS to TB for me. I'm a nitwit when it comes to code. Sorry! Only thing i know it that me site is using the warehouse theme